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I miss when library books used to have little paper pockets inside with a list of all the people who borrowed it and when… I hate that this is now exclusive knowledge of librarians. I do care that a miss Mariana borrowed this book in 1985 and then Dario in 1997. They’re my brothers and sisters
but really, there’s a million reasons why it’s an issue for users and staff of the public library to have immediate access to a record of who has borrowed a specific item and when.
and that’s not even about keeping the information “privileged” to the library staff, these days they don’t even keep a digital record of an item’s history of borrowers; once you return a book, there isn’t a list of everyone thats ever taken that book out that your name gets added to (though they probably take a tally of how many times it is checked out for circulation statistics).
i think the card system is a remnant of a culture that could only exist in the world before the internet as it exists today, where this identifying kind of information wasn’t always readily at your fingertips, even for those at the “information professional” level.
don’t get me wrong here, i do understand the nostalgia factor to it as being part of a different time, but i think it’s always important to understand why this kind of system has its flaws and has been (at least in north america) taken out of practice
bear in mind that US public libraries spent most of the past twenty years fighting off lawsuits that they were prohibited from disclosing to the public because when 9/11 happened the federal government wanted a list of every person who read certain books and the librarians had a really bad feeling about where that kind of policy would end up going, for some reason.
not keeping the records in the first place is a way for the libraries to protect themselves when they stand up for your privacy.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_FBI_has_not_been_here.jpg
This was a thing in multiple libraries. We really want to protect your freedom to access information.
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Anyone have sources on this in Canada? Those little borrower list things were common here too (a lot of old books still have em) and I’d be interested to read if something similar happened in Canada post-9-11 since the US has such a large influence.
Canadian librarian.
So the little borrower list things were basically an artefact of technology levels.
The pouch had the borrower-list card in it and it lived there; you’d take the book up to the desk, and they’d take the borrower-list card out, put your name on it, put it in wherever they stored the cards for checked out books, and then replaced it with the due-date stamped card (often a different colour) for you to take home.
They were primarily about being able to get the book back from you. They had significant risks, but they were also transient; once that little card was filled up it’d get thrown out and then a new card would start. If you were worried and also could work yourself up to ask, many libraries would destroy the borrowing card and move immediately on to a new one if you didn’t want to be on record. (Some libraries, run by people who weren’t as smart, would instead keep records. While we have always TRIED, as a field, not to suck, sometimes we failed.)
We moved to computer-based ILS systems primarily because that card-catalogue system was a labour intensive bitch, gods bless barcodes. And some places had a transitional period where you had a library card that had a number on it and they only recorded the number in the slip, and so on. But we shifted to computer-based ILS.
Which are theoretically so, so much easier to keep a record forever, and at that point we started getting a lot more aware of the Risks of that. This pre-dated 9/11 especially in larger libraries; not everything is traceable to 9/11.
At the same time, as well, the profession got much better connected to each other and some of our principles started getting a lot more emphatic and a lot more profession-wide. And we started talking a lot more about privacy, and we were already having conversations about “wait what is our purpose especially if it’s not to be the patronizing Civilizers of the World that asshole Dewey ahem some predecessors thought we should be?” and that brought on THOSE conversations. They were already happening.
… .and then, yes, 9/11 and its rampant vehement increase in attempts to actually make use of the potentiality of these systems, in the US and elsewhere, threw the whole thing into really, really sharp relief.
Now it’s definitely worth checking with your local library, as well: librarians are human, and library systems are human systems, and as a quick glance at the notes will see there are a few places where (and I’m gonna be judgemental here) some systems are stupid enough to think that being able to track damage to an object is more important than keeping people safe, because, well, sometimes humans are stupid.
But the dominant ethos is very, very much that what you check out and read, and your reasons for doing that, are yours and they are private and your right to that information and the right not to have to justify your information needs to strangers is absolute and yours to control. At my library system this sometimes frustrates patrons as we patiently explain that no, if you’ve lost your barcode or never set up an email for the online system and don’t have your password, I can’t do fuck all about it until and unless you show up in person* with your photo-ID because I cannot give any access to account information without confirming your identity, so no I can’t do this on email/over the phone.
And it’s not just the government; it’s everyone. So.
[*yes, there is Complicated Exceptions for those who are housebound, which can literally include the domain librarian visiting.]